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	<title>Comments on: Online Gratitude Journal January 2010 Edition #37</title>
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		<title>By: Jack Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I view human diet and Earth&#039;s ecology in this way: 
Era 1) Circle of life. Humans were in Africa. We hunted and were hunted. Nature was in balance. (for at least 100,000 years)
Era 2) Human colonization.  We leave Africa. Spread to other continents. We soon become too good at hunting and gathering. We colonized the planet. We over-hunting and over-fishing etc. We got too smart, too technically adept. Humans thrive. Animals don&#039;t. (for 55,000 years)
Era 3) Humans exploits end. We off-set the ecological balance. So much so to survive we switched to a mostly plant food diet. We domesticated animals (and they us). Many die in the transition. But we adapt quick. (BTW, Wars start with farming societies. It&#039;s just an after effect our new ecology). A 25,000 years transition period.
Era 4) Modern times—10-15,000 years. We&#039;re too good at agriculture. Plant and animal life suffer, just like in Era 2) but for different reasons. Big agriculture enables factory farms. Our numbers balloon. The cycle feeds on itself. Everything feels the effects.

I think now we have these choices. We can either eat a) plant-food only b) eat animal food only or c) eat both. Really we can do whatever we want, and just deal with the consequences. Honestly, I have no ideas how a) or b) would be sustainable. The Earth seems to prefer c). Some people say only a) is possible at this point. But I believe if we wanted to, somehow humans could create sustainable ways to do a) and b). But I don&#039;t think we&#039;ll ever need to do either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I view human diet and Earth&#8217;s ecology in this way:<br />
Era 1) Circle of life. Humans were in Africa. We hunted and were hunted. Nature was in balance. (for at least 100,000 years)<br />
Era 2) Human colonization.  We leave Africa. Spread to other continents. We soon become too good at hunting and gathering. We colonized the planet. We over-hunting and over-fishing etc. We got too smart, too technically adept. Humans thrive. Animals don&#8217;t. (for 55,000 years)<br />
Era 3) Humans exploits end. We off-set the ecological balance. So much so to survive we switched to a mostly plant food diet. We domesticated animals (and they us). Many die in the transition. But we adapt quick. (BTW, Wars start with farming societies. It&#8217;s just an after effect our new ecology). A 25,000 years transition period.<br />
Era 4) Modern times—10-15,000 years. We&#8217;re too good at agriculture. Plant and animal life suffer, just like in Era 2) but for different reasons. Big agriculture enables factory farms. Our numbers balloon. The cycle feeds on itself. Everything feels the effects.</p>
<p>I think now we have these choices. We can either eat a) plant-food only b) eat animal food only or c) eat both. Really we can do whatever we want, and just deal with the consequences. Honestly, I have no ideas how a) or b) would be sustainable. The Earth seems to prefer c). Some people say only a) is possible at this point. But I believe if we wanted to, somehow humans could create sustainable ways to do a) and b). But I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ll ever need to do either.</p>
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		<title>By: Carla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Akemi,

I cant eat dairy or eggs (or soy, and gluten!), but I do eat some fish, chicken mostly.  I may have a little grass fed beef but that&#039;s usually only once a year or so.  Everything else I eat is nuts, seeds, veggies, fruit, sea veggies, etc...

Carla
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Akemi,</p>
<p>I cant eat dairy or eggs (or soy, and gluten!), but I do eat some fish, chicken mostly.  I may have a little grass fed beef but that&#8217;s usually only once a year or so.  Everything else I eat is nuts, seeds, veggies, fruit, sea veggies, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>Carla<br />
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		<title>By: akemi</title>
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		<dc:creator>akemi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Natalie,

Welcome. That&#039;s interesting that some monks (Buddhist monks, I guess?) eat meat.  I agree with their views. 

Carla,

Thank you for sharing.  Hair falling in clumps -- that is scary! So what animal product do you eat now?  Dairy?  Eggs? 

Andrew,

I agree with you.  The inspiration of joy is a lot more meaningful and powerful. And dogma is counterproductive in many ways.  And although I am not against meat eating habits, it does feel gluttonous.  And eating is related to spirituality big time, but not everything about spirituality. Thank you for your thoughtful comment.

Andy, 

Haha, thank you, I like the idea of taking a &quot;sick day&quot; from my internal boss :)  

Everyone, the topic of vegetarian diet and spirituality is so interesting that I am writing up a big article. Will be posted soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natalie,</p>
<p>Welcome. That&#8217;s interesting that some monks (Buddhist monks, I guess?) eat meat.  I agree with their views. </p>
<p>Carla,</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing.  Hair falling in clumps &#8212; that is scary! So what animal product do you eat now?  Dairy?  Eggs? </p>
<p>Andrew,</p>
<p>I agree with you.  The inspiration of joy is a lot more meaningful and powerful. And dogma is counterproductive in many ways.  And although I am not against meat eating habits, it does feel gluttonous.  And eating is related to spirituality big time, but not everything about spirituality. Thank you for your thoughtful comment.</p>
<p>Andy, </p>
<p>Haha, thank you, I like the idea of taking a &#8220;sick day&#8221; from my internal boss <img src='http://yes-to-me.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Everyone, the topic of vegetarian diet and spirituality is so interesting that I am writing up a big article. Will be posted soon!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My personal view on this is that even doing stuff you love can become a chore if you push yourself to do it everyday. 

Maybe you just need to give yourself a day off. Not a weekend but a mid-week day off when it all feels a bit more naughty than it should. You know, a complete day off from life entirely. do something naughty, if you are on a strict diet then go have a burger and a beer!!  Spend a day without the Internet, mobile phone, email. go do some shopping, anything that is against character and allows you to &quot;cut loose&quot;.

Do something you shouldn&#039;t be doing!  It will do you good to do nothing you should be doing for 24 hours.

In the corporate world this would be called &quot;having a sickie&quot; most of us do it and it works. It allows you to re-charge your batteries and then you can return to your disciplined, motivated life the day after with renewed energy.

Go on, be naughty just for one day!! you deserve it
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My personal view on this is that even doing stuff you love can become a chore if you push yourself to do it everyday. </p>
<p>Maybe you just need to give yourself a day off. Not a weekend but a mid-week day off when it all feels a bit more naughty than it should. You know, a complete day off from life entirely. do something naughty, if you are on a strict diet then go have a burger and a beer!!  Spend a day without the Internet, mobile phone, email. go do some shopping, anything that is against character and allows you to &#8220;cut loose&#8221;.</p>
<p>Do something you shouldn&#8217;t be doing!  It will do you good to do nothing you should be doing for 24 hours.</p>
<p>In the corporate world this would be called &#8220;having a sickie&#8221; most of us do it and it works. It allows you to re-charge your batteries and then you can return to your disciplined, motivated life the day after with renewed energy.</p>
<p>Go on, be naughty just for one day!! you deserve it<br />
.-= Andy&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://ydnab40.posterous.com/frosty-monday-morning-day-3-of-365" rel="nofollow">Frosty monday morning: day 3 of 365</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Akemi, I commented on the blog you posted and on the meat-eating discussion (I don&#039;t know if I had before,  well, I commented again, it was interesting to sort out my thoughts on the matter). Thanks :)

Advice for you: I think you should try not to &quot;make&quot; yourself do what you need to do. Instead,  work on &quot;gentle discipline&quot; - simply put yourself in the place to be doing the work, just to see what happens, and let the words come out, if they do. My sort of discipline is like reminding of what might be a good thing to do, and simply making space to do it. The motivation has to come out of joy, not dread or resistance to laziness. 

I do believe veganism is more spiritual, unless you need to eat animal products. But I don&#039;t like dogma either. I eat honey. I just feel it&#039;s hard to eat with gratitude when you&#039;re being so wasteful (meat is a very wasteful way of nourishing oneself, and disrespectful, at least in the way we eat it). More like, that is just gluttony, and destructive, uncaring gluttony at that.

However, there are many more things to look at in your spiritual journey and perhaps it&#039;s more important how you eat than what you eat (though this will be connected). I have a solid rule with myself about animal foods, because it works for me and feels right. I do not like to make it too important though, and I don&#039;t see it as a fundamental truth, just a rule that works for me for many reasons.

Love

Andrew
.-= Andrew&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.andrewgubb.com/drupal/how-to-respond-to-thanks&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Beyond proper etiquette: How to respond to thanks&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Akemi, I commented on the blog you posted and on the meat-eating discussion (I don&#8217;t know if I had before,  well, I commented again, it was interesting to sort out my thoughts on the matter). Thanks <img src='http://yes-to-me.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Advice for you: I think you should try not to &#8220;make&#8221; yourself do what you need to do. Instead,  work on &#8220;gentle discipline&#8221; &#8211; simply put yourself in the place to be doing the work, just to see what happens, and let the words come out, if they do. My sort of discipline is like reminding of what might be a good thing to do, and simply making space to do it. The motivation has to come out of joy, not dread or resistance to laziness. </p>
<p>I do believe veganism is more spiritual, unless you need to eat animal products. But I don&#8217;t like dogma either. I eat honey. I just feel it&#8217;s hard to eat with gratitude when you&#8217;re being so wasteful (meat is a very wasteful way of nourishing oneself, and disrespectful, at least in the way we eat it). More like, that is just gluttony, and destructive, uncaring gluttony at that.</p>
<p>However, there are many more things to look at in your spiritual journey and perhaps it&#8217;s more important how you eat than what you eat (though this will be connected). I have a solid rule with myself about animal foods, because it works for me and feels right. I do not like to make it too important though, and I don&#8217;t see it as a fundamental truth, just a rule that works for me for many reasons.</p>
<p>Love</p>
<p>Andrew<br />
.-= Andrew&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.andrewgubb.com/drupal/how-to-respond-to-thanks" rel="nofollow">Beyond proper etiquette: How to respond to thanks</a> =-.</p>
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